Podcast Transcript
welcome to straight jacket podcast I’m Rachel Honda LCSW and this is Jeff my name is Jeff uh
representative from Mental Health Resource and today we have chrisy um Chief Operating Officer of
room thank you so um I guess let’s start off tell us a little bit about what room
is room health is uh an organization we have telea health and we provide uh
Medical Care uh in different ways either you know for private pay patients but we
also work with a lot of substance uses disorder uh facilities and handle the
medical care for that and mat treatment medically medication assisted treatment
for people you know coming off of addiction and uh and then you know once
they leave the facility we can handle you know people’s mat ongoing and and be
their primary care physician as well so what got you into
into this business well I kind of have a different story it’s like you know my
background is all pretty major corporations and then I started my own company it was a Consulting and staffing
company and then one thing led to another uh I got introduced to Dr Matt
abenante and at room and he needed some strategy work done and uh then I got an
idea of what he was doing and what he was trying to do and um and I said you
know before we start the strategy let’s start dousing the Flames because things are going up in smoke and uh so then I
was introduced to some of the things that he wanted to do and he was really uh he had you know big heart for
addiction treatment he launched his company initially because of the public health emergency with covid and then
then he’s now shifted to really address the second uh Public Health Emergency
in his you know area is um you know drug addiction and helping you know to uh
combat the opioid crisis and so it’s just been really you know he contacted
me for something and then one thing led to another and uh he asked me to be his coo and uh I think the biggest reason
that I started and I stayed is because his mission is so much about helping
people and he’s curious he’s uh just such an innovator and it’s been really
fun to experience you know how he wants to help people and and change
things that’s pretty cool that’s pretty amazing yeah I’ve met him before he seems like a really uh I don’t know the
charismatic guy yeah and and smart and interesting and he’s very interested in
a lot of different things and um and he he looks at solving Health Care problems
with such a different angle it’s he’s not traditional at all which has been
really fun so he’s he’s like the idea guy and I’m the person who helps make it a reality and that’s you know that’s my
superpower that’s a good team it really is it has been a really good team so we
we balance each other pretty well yeah and you said you worked for different corporations before um so what was your
background prior to so I started my career in it and and then I got recruited out of it by the business area
and the companies that I’ve worked for you know it’s Disney Toshiba FedEx and Nestle and you know so I I got tapped in
you know to a lot of great companies doing a lot of really interesting things and uh and you know everything just kind
of led me down a path that I would have never planned out for myself and which
was kind of fun but it was just staying open to what you know I got exposed to or what came at me and then just you
know kind of rode through it and um I always used to say I would try things on
kind of like a jacket and see how it fit and if it felt right then you know I
felt like that was where I needed to go next what was like the longest you
stayed with the company oh well 5 to seven years was always my thing yeah cuz
I heard if you um you should be kind of changing your jobs or job title at least
every couple years you I never really followed that that whole thought it was always um I don’t know when I look back
it’s kind of like Mary Poppins right Mary Poppins goes where she’s needed and um I would just kind of go wherever you
know I would get called by a recruiter and it would sound really interesting and and then you know working for room
uh someone called me and said I need you I’d like you to talk to this doctor and it’s like well I don’t really work with doctors and but one thing led to another
it’s like well you know what kind of feels like I’m supposed to be here wow and that’s you know what ended up
happening so what kind of signs would you look for like how would you know okay this is what I’m supposed to do I
don’t think you look for it I feel like you just are open to it and you know you
you you’re where your feet are planted and you’re focused on what you’re doing
but always knowing that something’s going to come up and so it’s like you
know I would I still I focus on the things that I should be doing to help
move the organization forward and I’ve done that everywhere I’ve been I didn’t
expect that things certain things would happen but it’s kind of like someone told me one time be expectant not
expecting so expect that great things are going to happen but don’t expect that certain things are going to happen
yes I love that yeah I think um it goes back to just being open-minded as well
open mind open heart yes it’s like that you know and I I shared with somebody
this was kind of a new revelation for me it’s like so if you feel like you know you get split wide open your guts are
exposed and it’s just like just be open and um and then as a result of just
being open what ends up happening is your mind is open because you’re not like trying to be something that you’re
not or prove something um or Force some
path it’s just being open to everything and then as a result you get you know
opportunities coming at you from different angles that you would never have expected you can’t plan things no
and I mean you can but it’s not going to go as planned nothing ever goes as planned right and then um but then you
know you learn way more you learn things that you would never have thought you would ever want to learn or need to
learn true and then you experience things that and meet people that gosh you would never have expected to meet or
even asked to meet so this just kind of how I’ve I’m I’ve lived my life
you know with the intentionality of making things happen and learning and
applying myself in you know in very clear ways but just being open to the
things that that are going to come at me or you know might come into my
peripheral vision right how was those uh I think the one that I you know probably
have the most interest in is like Disney of like those like the ones that you’d mention like Shea just because you know
I used to go to Disney World a lot when I was a kid um how was that oh working
oh my gosh it’s hard work um I never worked so hard in my
life and uh but I never learned so much in my life and you know the interesting
thing you work for an iconic company and you see how you know challenging things
can be and they can be messy on the inside but you know you’re working for such an
iconic company that you you’re just in awe with everything that you get exposed
to and you’re solving problems that are like wow I actually got exposed to that and I got to have my hand in this and so
that part of it good but um it it’s like mental gymnastics every day you’re solving really complex problems that
have you know a lot of tentacles and um uh there’s a lot of of in intricacies
but and you’re with because it’s such a iconic company it attracts really smart
people and uh so you’re you’re constantly challenged you know and and
you learn so much because of the great minds that you’re working with and then
people who are so dedicated to the brand and you know it’s kind of almost
cult-like following it’s like they’re yeah tried in Die Hard Disney people how did um
I guess the principles that you talked about how did they uh affect your career
over there I think I learned a lot about that uh there because um I was in one area
then I got a promotion and um and I remember um and the promotion was
something that I wouldn’t have expected I was just I was ready to leave I had done come to do what I had wanted to do
and and then I was ready to go and they said no don’t leave we want to keep you
here and they then they uh gave me this role and I remember I had an office with
this big old bookcase and the bookcase was empty and then one day uh I came
into my office and I found this little book and it was called The Magic of believing and and I thought huh who
would have put this on my there’s one book there one book and it was just this old book that was written in the 40s and
uh and so at one point I finally took an opportunity to read it and it was like
huh that’s really interesting concept you just focus on what it is that you want and you know your your job is to
plant seeds with other people so that they can think of you and um you know if
the opportunity arose and uh so it’s like that was it really interesting and
then um I got really curious about some other things and the boss that I had worked for was a former two Star General
in the Army and um he was really into deepack Chopra and so I read a whole
bunch of deepack Chopra books and and then the celesine pro prophecies that
really focuses on energy and um and just you know like almost your aura if you
will and uh and then just got really curious about things and was like wow
you know where is this taking me what am I going to do with this and but I started realizing that
um how I am is how I experience the world not vice versa not the world
dictates how who I am and um and I have more control than I would have thought
growing up you know I don’t know growing up it was like you’re you don’t know
what path you go down and you don’t know just following whatever other people have for you and and I always question
like why am I even here why why do people live why are people what what’s the purpose of the whole thing what’s
the meaning of why am I here and I couldn’t understand that it’s like this
is all there is and then I started realizing gosh you know life is can be
really good and then you know maybe why I’m here is to experience things and to
grow and to learn and and to share to connect yeah it’s like the feeling that
you get when you have a connection with somebody and you see them doing so well
and and um you see them happy and you you know it’s like that we talked before
about the ener energy exchange and when you have that energy
exchange it’s palpable right it really is and and you feel good and you
sometimes you just can’t even explain why you feel good about being around somebody it’s like I don’t I can’t
describe it I don’t know why I like this person I just feel good when I’m around this person and and what I learned was
that that’s really vibrational energy and you you can it it doesn’t have to be
happen stance it can be intentional and you can really like make it happen I’m a
big believer in vibration as well what would uh is there any advice that you’d give because I don’t know
like as far as mental health goes I’m trying to like you know what
uh I guess what helped you the most raise your vibration I think just being open when I
stopped trying so hard just to be you know successful or be whatever it it
just helped me um learn more and do more and
experience more and um but you know then when you read that you have more control
over how you experience the world and you know it’s like then you realize gosh
you know every day I wake up I get to own how I start my day so I used to
think you know oh gosh people have good days and then they have bad days but
anymore I don’t ever just have a bad day it’s like I wake up and I know I’m in
control it’s like you know what this day I don’t know how it’s going to unfold
but I’m going at it my job is to be you know this bright light and see where it
goes yeah man that sounds you’re really lucky well I think it’s it’s in I think
everyone has the capacity to do that but there’s so many things that we allow to
limit us and or we think that we don’t have control over it but we actually
have more control I think than you know we think we have and and that’s what you
know even now when things come at me and you know a plumbing problem at the house or whatever it’s like okay I can’t
control that but I can control how I react to it and how how it affects me
and um you know do I have to have it you know create a bad experience or do I
have to have a bad day because of it but we have so much more control than we give give ourselves credit for and we’re
giving up control by fixating on some things oh yeah oh my gosh well you talk
to people all the time who probably fixate on things yeah and you know and it’s they do have like every reason to
be you know angry or obset or everything like hurt um but I remind them it’s like
you you can either live there or you can find a way to like find purpose through
the pain or work through it because um or like you said you know um change it
into something positive because otherwise they’re going to forever be
the victim and um and they are you know you can they are victims but at the same
time like it you can’t let that dictate your whole life because you still have to deal with it you still have to deal
with everything that comes with it so um it’s like being a victim or Survivor
yeah I mean and and that’s that’s where resiliency comes in too it’s like okay can you find a purpose for this pain and
um and I think like that that’s basic CBT is that’s what I was going to say
talk behavioral therapy exactly it’s like okay let’s go down to the thinking because your thoughts affect your
emotions and then they affect your behaviors which I think I think what
you’re saying it’s it is that but it’s more it’s more like also taking it um
like a spiritual kind of side too well yeah I I think that there’s a certain
amount of spirituality it’s just understanding that there’s um there’s
powers in the universe and whether you call it God whether you uh you know
don’t but but it’s like the the universe has energy right and and it’s like
there’s there’s we’re so connected and we’re so powerful and you know when we
realize that that we don’t have to feel like a little knit in the grand scheme
of things we actually have more and there’s not much that’s different
between you and me you know it it’s like we’re not that different we just have different
experiences but we’re all worthy and you know it’s and but I can
control how I experience the world it’s true and you brought up like
manifestation and I was thinking like that’s so interesting like in different
modalities they bring these these topics in you know it’s just everyone has a
different way of explaining it or using it but like in DBT they use like oh the miracle question right like where um
what’s your ideal life look like and then you lay it out and um and then
that’s what they can focus on and then you can think of goals of like okay how can you get there how can you have that
ideal life that you want um and I think like with manifestation it would be
focusing on those things imagining that you do have that
um but I don’t know because you said like you kind of have an open heart so
you might not know exactly what those things are so um I don’t know what are your thoughts on
that I don’t know that we have to know what the ideal life is but what I do
think is that we have to appreciate where we are and um thankful gratitude
yeah we it’s like the fact that I get to wake up every morning and breathe and
get to meet the people that I meet get to sleep in the bed that I sleep in and
um have the people in my life that care about me and that I love just starting
with those basic things that I have food to eat you know that I have clean air to breathe and you know it’s like just
starting there and then um uh it’s it’s like knowing that I want
more for myself all the time not that it’s because I’m lacking something right
but I know that I can experience more and um so I think you know some of the
things that you mention it’s like we either come from an expansive mindset or more of a fixed mindset and we’re a
fixed mindset then it’s more victim like yeah but but if we’re in expansive
mindset it’s like that’s where resilience lives because then it’s like you know what I can learn I can do I can
experience and I have more control therefore I’m going to be more resilient
if you know someone cuts me off while I’m driving and you know suddenly and
they’re rude or whatever it I don’t have to be at the effect of that I have the ability to you know kind
of write myself and recover um because you know it’s about
learning and developing those capabilities or capacities very true yeah I noticed that
you uh I think a lot of what you’re saying is kind of based on like
intention like the intention that you choose to do things um actually reminds
me of this book I think it was called The Power of intention it was like it talked a lot about fixed mindsets and
then you know like I don’t remember the word that they used but it was like basically like a learning mindset that’s
one big thing that actually really helped me is is just thinking that like just learning from everything
you know like just thinking everything’s like really a lesson you know like the good days and the bad days you know
they’re they’re there in my life for a reason and there’s a silver lining it it’s crazy how yeah it’s
things can happen and you can say that that rocked my
world in a negative way it’s like I and would we want to choose to do that again
no but when you look back on what that experience allowed you how it allowed
you to grow then you can say wow that’s the silver lining and you know I’ve had
so many of those it’s like oh my gosh I can’t believe that this happened to me then when I look back well no I would
never choose to have it happen to me again but um but the fact that it
did then you know it’s it’s like look at what came out of it I grew in ways that
um I would never have grown and you know even something so basic Big Plumbing
problem at home you know what my living room’s going going to get painted that and I wanted it to get painted anyway so
what the heck and um but it it’s you look for the Silver Lining not
that oh poor pitiful me right perception yeah but you you had mentioned intention
it’s like just putting one foot in front of the other is being intentional right
my job is to get up and walk out that door and then go to work and um
be of use you know to whatever company I
work for or whatever I’m doing just intentionally doing that and giving it your all and knowing that you know you
want so much out of your life and you want to experience and you want other people to experience great things as
well so if you had someone who is like struggling with um just having a
negative mindset or um you know just struggling to kind
of get out of that rut um what would you suggest to
them well I’d first encourage them to you know just really
explore and understand um they are on the earth for a reason and that you know
there’s so much more that there’s a a different lens
that they can look through yeah than the lens that they might be looking through and um so if I used to in fact this
happened to me but I I used to tell people a lot it it’s like if you saw how
people see you you wouldn’t see you in the same way yeah and and and then some
people go to the dark side and it’s like well they see me as a loser or whatever but that’s not true people see
other things in people that they don’t see in themselves in a really positive way we see somebody and it’s like wow
that person really has it going on in this way but that person in their head
they’re saying oh my gosh I’m you know I’m less than and but if they saw that
per you know if they saw themselves through how other people saw themsel saw them they wouldn’t feel that way someone
uh an executive coach had me uh do this exercise because you know
it’s like oh my gosh I’m struggling with this when I started my business and and I always felt like I’m on the edge of a
cliff ready to plummet to my death and um that you know what’s going to become
of me whatever and she said christe I think you you don’t see yourself the way
other people see you so what she asked me to do is as people send me things or
say things to me to just capture it Journal it say save the email or whatever and so I did that for a while
and I had all of this you know just statements it’s like you know you helped
me with this I really appreciate this and and I I soaked it all in and I
remember saying wow people see me differently than I see myself so what if
I just pretended I believed them and just that belief in how people saw me
allowed me to see myself differently and now I don’t I don’t judge myself in the
same way anymore ever and it it’s everything is an evolution life is a
mind game and you know when you learn that uh I don’t know maybe gamify it
when you learn that then there’s so much more Beauty than just you know this darkness that we might be holding on to
yeah man I feel like there’s this you know you seem like a like really enlightened
person I think I’m trying to put my finger on like how did you get there how did you get here oh I can tell you some
stories so I had a very religious upbringing so much so that I absolutely
did not want anything to do with God the church Christians anything and um then
when I went to college Chapman University uh at the time they had a religious studies
requirement and um so the first class I took was uh like religious philosophy
and then I realized it was like okay so see there you know all these things that you learn in church are not right and um
but but then I started exploring all these religious philosophers and um was really curious it’s like okay I believe
that buy that but I don’t buy the doctrine that I was raised in and um so
I just started exploring things and it was like wow there’s more to life and
that’s when I started understanding okay there’s reasons that we’re here on Earth
and it’s not like you come you know you come into the world you work you go to school you earn money you pay taxes
whatever and um it there’s more there’s like you know things that are more
ethereal and I just would explore and experiment and you know but I think all
the time I I’m a feeler so it was like how does this feel and does this make
sense to me and um so you know I went away from religion more to spirituality
because knowing that there’s you know I studied all these different religions and found that gosh at the core so many
different Rel religions believe in ultimately the same thing yeah and um
and then you know there’s so much to learn in life there’s you know the whole
thought about you know Angels walking among amongst us or whatever and and
energy that you know because you it’s undeniable when you meet somebody and you have a connection you don’t know
that person but for some reason you have a connection and it’s like okay then
this is just somebody that I’m supposed to meet in my life my path and you know then you start realizing that you have a
path and sometimes it’s windy sometimes it you know crisscrosses and but you
know what we’re here to do is experience things and you know hopefully make a
positive impact on others but it’s just it just happened but I think I was so
resistant growing up that you know I didn’t want to be forced to go to church
I didn’t want to be forced to believe in something and you know my experience at church was the meanest people ever went
to church and um so it’s like why do I want to be part of this but um then when
I didn’t put the emphasis on the religion I put the emphasis on you know
the spirituality and loving people and yes believing I believe that there’s a
God but you don’t have to it’s like you know so all of this stuff you just get
curious and that’s where I think the enlightenment comes from um and I’m just an infant right in this
whole thing but it it’s like you get curious and then you explore and then
you know you try to fit whatever you learn you know does this make sense to
me how how is it relevant to my life and um and then you know how can I look at
the world in a different way and so there’s so much that we never stop learning we never stop
experiencing I think you’re right like being open-minded and openhearted like
that’s how you get that Enlightenment I think cuz um if you if you remained
closed off like because of how you were raised or whatever um then you wouldn’t
have found found out those things or maybe been open to learning more that’s
that whole fixed mindset versus you know expansive and um yeah you’re right
you’re absolutely right it’s um it’s really fascinating that but it’s so much
about curiosity yeah so much about curiosity I think that’s why um there’s
certain fields or certain things that like where you’re always learning about and well you in your field well yeah
that’s that’s why I like it because I get I used to just get jobs and then hop around like I would get bored I’m like
okay what’s next you know and um but in this field with like therapy
mental health substance use it’s like there’s never a dull moment and you’re never going to know everything and
you’re always going to be able to learn more um and I think yeah that is
what I I think that’s what life’s about learning and connection it is I I really
agree because we never know what we’re going to face next I we never know
yeah it so the uh Dolly llama wrote a book called you know the secret to
happiness or I can’t remember exactly what the name of it but but it had to do with
happiness and so I read the book and he’s a pretty interesting guy right and
uh and then you know you’re reading the book and then you get to the end it’s like the secret to happiness is putting
yourself in the shoes of somebody else and it’s like that’s not what I would expect but when you think about it it’s
like to just you know okay what does Rachel experience and how is she going through this and what does Jeff
experience I mean both of you were doing some really awesome things and you know
it’s like so you are making your way in the world and I can’t even imagine going
through you know some of the days that you guys have and um you know and then Jeff you have just such amazing big big
goals thank you and it’s you know it’s like it’s fun to see somebody so eager
to make an impact and um he’s the idea man which is wonderful don’t ever stop
yeah so you seem to be in a very like positive mindset um so what do you think
helps you to stay there that’s a really good question um well for one thing I’ve
been practicing for a long time but you know what one uh I got exposed to NLP
you guys have heard about NLP neur Linguistics programming right neural linguistic and what resonated for me
about NLP is the the connection between your neurology and your language and
then the p is the programming which is the behavior and so when you bring all of that together it’s like okay our
language affects our neurology which affects our behavior and so you know let
me learn more about that and uh what do you mean our language s interrup so how
we speak so if we speak in the negative if we say I can’t do that don’t do that
I should do this you know let me try to do this or I wouldn’t whatever um I it’s
it’s like there there’s an energetic resonance right and so if you say um you
know I’m excited to start the day versus here’s another day I it’s like
it’s got an energetic difference right so our words have energy and um and our
words have energy not only with other people but also in our bodies and then you know and how that energy resonates
in inside my body will affect what my behavior is how do I experience like
driving down the car during traffic you know driving the car [Music]
down and so if all of those things come together and I uh so I took a deep dive
into NLP and I took this uh um course it was very intensive but what you learn is
that um you know the net net for me was really about uh how I
speak is how I think and how I feel and how I um act and so that’s the basic
thing and um um and it’s also how I can interact with people so I can either
elicit a positive response from you or a negative one based on the words that I
use and um and the energy with which those words are delivered and so but if
I say to you um you know uh hey great business and you guys are doing some
awesome things for people in the world versus well what do what do you think the future of
your business is right and um so see how it’s but you know if I deliver it in a
way that’s positive and energetic up in the you know energetic scale then you’re
going to feel differently and I’m feeling differently
and how I deliver it but if I say something that’s negative I’m affecting myself but I’m also affecting you and so
you know and I’m I I think I’m a kind person and when I realized that I had
such an impact on others I could Elevate the mood in the room or I could bring it
down and it’s you know then it’s like why would I want to bring it
down so it’s very good point yeah so if I’m gonna bring down the room what what
good does that do it just causes this spiral right but if I’m going to elevate
the energy in the room then uh I get a benefit as well because everything is so
uh related we’re connected so the energy that I give to you you give to me and I
give to Jeff and he gives to me and Jeff and you give to each other it it’s like
bringing up the you know elevating the energy in the room that’s what NLP is all about it
starts with words and how we think not only only how we speak but how we think
you know the The selft Talk The selft Talk dictates everything and if I’m
going to talk to somebody kindly and talk to myself negatively then it’s
likely that how I talk to you is going to appear inauthentic so that that whole
congruency resonated for me in in in in NLP to be really I want to congruent how
I speak to myself how I think about myself what the thoughts that I think
about what I’m experiencing it I can’t fake how it
comes across I mean some people might but it’s not going to be long lasting you’re going to
know spending any time with me if I’m inauthentic or not you know it’s like
you you can’t mask not being nice or not thinking
can’t mask it authenticity for very long really yeah that’s I mean that’s true
and so many people um say like okay I feel like I’m wearing a mask and a lot
of my clients who have substance use issues like that’s I mean that will lead
to relapse if they don’t get authentic when they’re in recovery because um
they’re not being true to themselves or their values so it’s like the fourth which I don’t even know what step it is
I think fourth step it’s being like honest with people I think right I don’t
know um yeah well I mean rigorous honesty is definitely one of the principles but yeah I don’t
um I guess it’s pretty much in in a way it’s in each of the steps but you know
honesty is an interesting word um I think of honesty it it’s like am I
honest I don’t I don’t even know that I’m really crazy about that word but authentic is cuz you know it’s like okay
if I’m authentic I’m going to say what I feel
yeah and um I’m going to you know just feel it and if I’m going to
share who I am you know I have to be willing to um it it’s vulnerable yeah
and and so I think of you know um addiction I have people in my life but
so when they’re when they finally allowed themselves to be authentic and say you know what I’ve got flaws I’ve
got issues you know I have someone very dear in my life who went through rehab
seven times at a very young age and um but it was finally when he just was
himself he was himself and he said I’m imperfect I am who I am and um um then
that’s when really things changed for him yeah and and I I know even for
myself there’s you know the the times that you know I have an MBA I’m you know
in this Fortune 50 company and and whatever you get kind of full full of yourself but when you realize that none
of that’s working for me and let me just be who I am and you know I know I’m
capable I know I think through things and um let me just be who I am and then
learn and experience and grow and um and
it’s okay to expose my um my blemishes my faults because if I accept me yeah
then people are going to accept me or they’re not but as you know if I as long
as I accept me it doesn’t really matter I’ve always kind of believed that
like Success is Not really about luck it’s about your mindset it is it’s like everybody’s always getting all these
different opportunities like things are getting you know the world moves fast but it’s like he’s having the right
mindset to be able to receive those opportunities or you know like give value to a certain
situation not like take too much you know I think that uh
act on it yeah I believe I I my beliefs align a lot with that well I can tell I
mean look at what you’ve been able to accomplish and look at what you want want to accomplish next it’s like you’re
you’re thinking about it and you’re you add value to other people um the book
The go-giver it it’s like uh the five principles and I don’t remember each one
but you want to add more value than you take in payment and when you think about
that um you know adding more value to somebody else than than what you receive
it’s okay but the last principle is um the law of stratospheric success I think
they call it and um the last one is you have to be open to receiving so if you
do all these great things for others okay you know other people appreciate it
you also have to be open to receiving and that’s where I think the opportunities come in so your shing with
people here’s what I want to do and here’s what I want to add value to and and um and being open to receiving you
know what might come your way is you know and and looking out for that it’s
like hey I know great things are coming my way but um you know and let me be open to it so not focusing only on
giving to others being open to what’s going to come your way I think that’s a big reason that you know we choose to be
in this industry history you know of like mental health substance abuse just basically helping is that
like just giving back you know um adding value to a
situation and why do you give back because you’re and why do you give
back me personally uhhuh um I don’t know I’ve always kind of been like that I’ve
had like a interesting childhood I know what it’s I think it might be because I know what it’s like to see you’re
grateful for where you came from you know from where you came right you you’ve been there and and you want other
people to experience that yeah and and while I haven’t been you know uh through
substance uh you know abuse or anything like that but um I’ve had my challenges
in many other ways but it’s like I appreciate where I used to be from a
mindset standpoint and gosh darn I want other people to have it a heck of a lot
easier than I had it cuz I was so in my head and you know you want to give to
others because you know what it’s like to be there
exactly yeah I never thought about it like that but yeah I mean I can I can hear it in your voice and I can you know
like when you talk about what you want to do it’s like it only comes from a place of gratitude you know for where
you are now I am grateful that was like a big thing for me it was the Gratitude lists it was
like 555 this guy had me do uh from the the rehab that I went to and it was like
what I’m grateful for today five things uh why I’m grateful to be me five
things and then five positives within the past 24 hours and I did that Honestly for probably about two years
every single day wow see I think the repetition the rep he said like 30 days
he was like if you do this for 30 days it’s going to change your life and I did it for 30 days like and I was just like
you know I would be like doing it at like you know like pretty close to midnight like almost
almost not do it and then like you know cutting the deadline and then but like I
just made sure I did it and then it just became easier and easier and then I kind of just kept on doing it like over and
over it becomes who you are right yeah and Sean acor he wrote uh book called
The Happiness Advantage he has this great YouTube video on I think everyone should watch it and it’s um he did a Ted
Talk on happiness uh but he has this uh
thing he’s he’s uh uh happiness scientist he calls it but it’s really a
positive uh scientist or psychologist or um more on the science area and um but
what he talks about is 20 seconds every day for 20 days and so same kind of
thing and you just focus on you know these very positive things and it only
takes a short period of time but it’s the repetition and then once you shift
your mindset it’s kind of like you don’t go back yeah and right because you
probably could never imagine going back to the person that you were before you
started thinking this way because it’s so so different to experience life this
way yeah I don’t know how it worked but it definitely changed something cuz I I think it’s a rewiring so you’ve heard of
um neurop Pathways yeah that’s what he would talk he’d always talk about this guy would always talk about neurop Pathways it’s crazy because and there’s
even a video I I think there’s a video on the internet that you can see where the brain is actually breaking off from
one pathway and making another one and um so you know they talk about if you
want to quit smoking you have to get another uh Habit right and because it’s the neurop pathway thing you can’t just
give something up or just start doing something you have to shift something
and that’s like sever a neurop pathway and start a you know create a new neurop
pathway and something something healthy or something what they talk about in like the Power of Habit and a lot of Joe
dispensa stuff coming I like Jo dispens too oh I love Joe dispensa I I want to go on one of his uh s day uh sessions
okay well yeah I want you guys to go and then let me know how it is and then I’ll sign up yeah I’ve been following him for
a while be I think it would be really great it it yeah and I’ve taken some of
his uh virtual courses but it’s all that shifting of the mind and it’s like once
you start shifting and you realize really how much of a mind game life is
and you know we have so much control and just you know and he talks a lot about
energy he and you know it’s like that um
energetic frequency I I think he talks about like um theta waves and uh it’s
you know you want to get to that point because at that point we’re all really
resonating at the same um level and we are so connected yeah I mean even
with just the material like I can see how much I’ve grown um because at first I was like
this is about quantum physics I don’t even know I don’t understand this like this is too much but then it’s like okay
if I just accept it or or take it in and then I’m like oh okay like this is something
I can definitely apply and wrap my head around it it is and I think because it’s
different um you know sometimes it’s you know it requires the discipline but then
when you see how your life is now versus how it was and you know it’s like you
just don’t want to go back well I really appreciate you coming on the show today
[Music] um what are some final thoughts that you would have for people struggling with
mental health well I think I would say there’s a way
out and um and it’s really about you
know Finding what interests you whether it’s reading um listening to things
uh what whatever you can do to to just make that initial start to get curious
about um how to live a different life and that you know reading for me was
great and you know I I had to develop a tool box cuz not everything worked the
same way every time I needed it so you know start focusing on putting Tools in
your toolbox to help you through tough times or just you know how to shift your
mindset because it’s not about I need to feel better it’s like I need to shift my
mindset so you know what are are the tools in my toolbox that I could try out
to get me to shift my mindset and once you have enough Tools in your toolbox
then you know something’s bound to work and you know and then you find other tools that you can you know add to it as
things go on but uh you know it’s really important to start off with collecting
tools for your tool box to help you shift when you get you know a thought in
your head or just an idea that things aren’t working out and um you know the
world needs you and the world needs you to be at your best and um and you need
you to be at your best it’s like you know we’re we’re meant to be happy I
think we’re designed to experience joy and you know what
if we you know can figure out how to experience that but I I think it’s so
much about having Tools in our toolbox yeah very true well thank you for coming
on the podcast seriously we there was so much stuff we didn’t get to go go into too like I want to talk a little bit
about the NAD plus oh yeah but uh now that’s mind expanding too it’s like to
have all of your faculties uh you know mentally it’s like to feel like your brain’s firing that’s
awesome I love that well thank you yeah thank you you for having me great having
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